[WET FISH]

hi i have had my goldrim tang now for 7 weeks & he has been doing very well in my main tank, until last monday 14/09/09. i noticed behind his right eye some very small bumps which i was a little concerned about. so the next day i moved him to my hospital tank. later in the day he has a small white spot on him then today he has loads. here is a photo taken at 9.30 wednesday 16th sept. my local fish shop said he did not know what the small bumps were so as a precaution i moved him asap. please could anyone help me confirm this is white spot. thanks im running a low copper in the hospital tank half dose on the bottle. (my hospital tank is 3 months old with 3 chromis) i need to find out how to load pics? thanks Alec  tang_best___bb.jpg (101.35K)
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[WET FISH]

now a week later he looks like this & i think it might be LYMPHOCYSTIS ive read this which fits see this link http://www.waterlife...life/treat1.htm  tang_21_09_09__bb_.jpg (117.97K)
Number of downloads: 25 ive got a post on ultimatereef for the full story http://www.ultimater...r...2211&page=2. i have no idea what hes got. hes been feeding & behaving like normal. it does not seem to bother him one bit.

[Dave.I]

Hi there

Have you had any temperature swings? It does look like it could be lympho and if it is then he should be fine.Give him a good balanced diet as this will really help him out.

[dylan]

this could well be LYMPHOCYSTIS i would expect to see this on the fins aswell though, as above a good diet of algae , a good flake or pellet food and possibly some brineshrimp enriched with garlic,. what fish have been in with this tang ,any other tangs , yellows etc can be agressive, are u running ozone ? if not this would be a good addition to the tank, is there enough swimming space for this fish??

[WET FISH]

Dave.I, on Sep 21 2009, 03:07 PM, said:

Hi there

Have you had any temperature swings? It does look like it could be lympho and if it is then he should be fine.Give him a good balanced diet as this will really help him out.

Hi thanks for your reply! my temperature swings are a maximum half c during the day i run it at 24c Does any body think this might be lateral line food deficiency. the white marks stick off of him i feed nori with garlic & he has unlimited supply of it every day. i also feed gamma frozen foods they get a different one every four days with new era flakes in the evening. am i doing any thing wrong? i have 31kg of live rock with loads for stuff 10kg are 5 years old. many thanks alec ALL MY OTHER FISH ARE STILL FINE IN MY MAIN TANK.

[tommo]

Hi m8,

Just got your pM

Im not convinced the fish has lymphocystis, however it does definately have head and lateral line erosion which is most commonly attributed to poor nutrition, generally with vitamin C being a main suspect. I think this case is different (but its something to consider)

As you have the fish in quarantine, now is a good time to de fluke and worm the fish using kusuri discus wormer (which is fine used with copper- however there is no need to continue the copper) Acanthurus japonicus (The current standing latin name) are extremely prone to both acanthocephalan worms (internal) and capsalid flukes (which are hard to remove with a freshwater dip) It wouldnt suprise me if the erosion has been caused by capsalids, and the white your are seeing is merely a concentration of mucous as the fish does appear in very good condition otherwise!!!!!

Get him treated for flukes and on to the new era aegis cycle and use binding lipid supplements on any frozen and he should recover a treat!

HTH

Tom

[WET FISH]

hi thankyou for your time with this matter im sorry to go on. none of my local shops have this Prasziquantrel. i went in to my lfs again with more photos & now a week on he said it could be hole in the head but was not 100% sure & he did not want to sell me any medication. but later on today as i cleaning the skimmer & he swam into it removing some of the white stuff. so i rang my trusted shop in the next county, they said its more than likely to be some sort of parasite & to fresh water dip him for 3 minutes. i did not like doing it as ive never seen this & knowing he needs salt water to live etc. so 3 minutes later in the fresh water all the white has gone & at the bottom of the bucket, now his wounds are pinky. hes just as active after a few minutes back in salt. they did say i might need to do it in a few days time & he should heal well by himself. here are up to date pics taken 5 mins after dip. what do you think?  after_dip_1_ss.jpg (96.79K)
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[Rockstar]

Just been looking at the thread as ive just bought a supposed GOLD RIMMED TANG. Turns out its not its a White faced Surgeon. The Gold rim is according to a web site very difficult and high maintenance whereas the White faced is hardy.

Your Tang is a White faced Tang see the pictures below. Dont know if this helps any.

GOLD RIMMED TANG (or White cheeked Tang)



WHITE FACED TANG



Rocky.

[WET FISH]

hi i only done a half full dose of copper & nothing else because i was not sure. the new era aegis cycle looks good im using new era marine flakes at the mo. thanks alec

[tommo]

Ignore any claims that either fish is difficult as with proper introductory treatment on arrival into the UK and with ever improving shipping techniques both are round about the same care level!

You can buy kusuri wormer (not praziquantal but rather flubenol) legally in the UK. specialist stores will have it and if not, ebay or aquarist classifieds on the web. simply add full dose to quarantine and repeat in five days!!!!!!

Freshwater dipping the fish will not remove capsalid flukes- you would have to dip the fish for a dangerous 7 minutes- which it is likely that these will be. Im glad some of the white stuff came off as it confirms what i thought about it being flukes causing the erosion rather than nutrition. You now have your answer, and well done your trusted aquarium shop for the suggested diagnosis of parasites

HTH

Tom

[WET FISH]

Rockstar, on Sep 22 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

Just been looking at the thread as ive just bought a supposed GOLD RIMMED TANG. Turns out its not its a White faced Surgeon. The Gold rim is according to a web site very difficult and high maintenance whereas the White faced is hardy.

Your Tang is a White faced Tang see the pictures below. Dont know if this helps any.

GOLD RIMMED TANG (or White cheeked Tang)



WHITE FACED TANG



Rocky.

thanks for the time on my id on the tang they look very similar. i will read up on this a bit more now. thankyou!

[WET FISH]

tommo, on Sep 22 2009, 02:50 PM, said:

Ignore any claims that either fish is difficult as with proper introductory treatment on arrival into the UK and with ever improving shipping techniques both are round about the same care level!

You can buy kusuri wormer (not praziquantal but rather flubenol) legally in the UK. specialist stores will have it and if not, ebay or aquarist classifieds on the web. simply add full dose to quarantine and repeat in five days!!!!!!

Freshwater dipping the fish will not remove capsalid flukes- you would have to dip the fish for a dangerous 7 minutes- which it is likely that these will be. Im glad some of the white stuff came off as it confirms what i thought about it being flukes causing the erosion rather than nutrition. You now have your answer, and well done your trusted aquarium shop for the suggested diagnosis of parasites

HTH

Tom

sorry to be a pain but what should my shopping list be to treat him now? just getting a bit confused with all these names being suggested. thanks alec

can we name shops on this site?

[tommo]

Sorry LOL. I did wonder if i was going a bit deep

Kusuri discus wormer to treat the flukes (as they wont be killed by freshwater dip)

Then new era aegis to keep up the fish's immune system (mainly because of the skin damage)

HTH m8

Tom

[WET FISH]

tommo, on Sep 23 2009, 05:58 PM, said:

Sorry LOL. I did wonder if i was going a bit deep

Kusuri discus wormer to treat the flukes (as they wont be killed by freshwater dip)

Then new era aegis to keep up the fish's immune system (mainly because of the skin damage)

HTH m8

Tom

hi great! today hes got a red lump coming out above his eye. this photo 5 mins ago.

http://www.ultimater...9Q3/goldrim.jpg

ive run out of space to load up more photos & dont know how to free it up. so i had to load it up on UR

what do you think now is he getting really bad? im going out first thing thursday to treat him.

[WET FISH]

just passed away R.I.P:rip:

[tommo]

Looks a bit sore, perhaps infected. If it gets much worse, let me know. theres a white edge around the mark which is probably a good thing!

adds, 'or maybee not,????? looks like an infection had got hold of him :0 sorry for the loss m8!



Tom

[WET FISH]

tommo, on Sep 23 2009, 08:35 PM, said:

Looks a bit sore, perhaps infected. If it gets much worse, let me know. theres a white edge around the mark which is probably a good thing!

adds, 'or maybee not,????? looks like an infection had got hold of him :0 sorry for the loss m8!



Tom

hi thanks for all your help. i will be getting another to replace him.
everything in my main tank seems fine at the moment.
cheers alec

[dave14]

Sorry you were unable to save him,
as for uploading pic's most of us use photobucket