[pcs333]

i`ve recently upgraded my tank fro 90 to 240 litres about a month ago.

everything seemed fine for a couple of weeks, so i added an angel and a tang.
around about the same time as this i added some ph buffer to try and up my ph slightly because it had always been 7.8, but this led to other problems as in this thread ph probs.

now my royal gramma started getting white spot, so i thought i would leave him for a while to see if he could shake it off, but he hasn`t and now my 2 perculas are showing signs of the disease they get like white spot (forgot what its called). like a white powder on their back.
also the angel has a white growth on top of his dorsal fin, which looks like a tick not white spot so i dont know if this is related and also my yellow tang showed signs of white spot but seems to be ok now other than some strange looking bumps over his body.

they are all feeding and swimming around except the gramma who feeds only accasionally.

please can i have some help and advise on what the best course of action would be from here, is it possible they will recover ? by feeding them newlife spectrum thera +a, or am i going to have to setup a quarintine ?

thanks

[lindsay]

Can you add some pictures of the fish and system?.

[pcs333]

i will try to get some pics up

nightmare trying to get decent pics that show the affected areas

[tommo]

For now i wouldnt be too concerned. it was probably triggered by the gramma and the pH issues but will in all probability rectify itself with little intervention apart from a varied and nutritious diet. I would look at getting hold of some TMC lipovit and immuvit or some new era liposome spray and using either or in all feeds!

it is a good idea to have a quarantine tank ready just incase however!

The angel has lymphocystis, a viral and generally not harmful infection again has been related to stress.

Tom

[pcs333]

tommo, on Nov 21 2009, 06:14 PM, said:

For now i wouldnt be too concerned. it was probably triggered by the gramma and the pH issues but will in all probability rectify itself with little intervention apart from a varied and nutritious diet. I would look at getting hold of some TMC lipovit and immuvit or some new era liposome spray and using either or in all feeds!

it is a good idea to have a quarantine tank ready just incase however!

The angel has lymphocystis, a viral and generally not harmful infection again has been related to stress.

Tom

thanks tom
much appreciated.

as mentioned i am using spectrum thera+a which has added garlic in pellet form, but i will pick up some liposome spray, i was actually considering buying it today in my lfs.

i have now lost my gramma as well as a blenny, but so far my yellow tang and angel seem ok.
only my 2 clowns showing stress with white patches on them, fingers crossed they can pull through.

my next job is to sort out a quarintine tank, these problems i`m getting really emphasize to me how important it is.

[tommo]

If you are losing fish, they need treating. Copper at 0.15mg/l for three weeks is the norm!

[pcs333]

tommo, on Nov 21 2009, 11:59 PM, said:

If you are losing fish, they need treating. Copper at 0.15mg/l for three weeks is the norm!

I have read so many views on how best to get rid of marine ich, so far i have come to the conclusion that i should place all of my fish i my quarantine and leave my display tank fishless for 8 weeks to make 100% sure my display tank is rid of them.
i have no problem with doing this, my only concerns now are with my quarantine tank ;

1.It is only a 20 gallon corner tank and i have a yellow tang, coral beauty, pyjama cardinal and 2 clowns. I am worried that 8 weeks confined in this size tank will be no good for them especially the tang, but then i think to myself that i see this all the time in fish shops, so if they can do it then maybe i can although i dont like it.

2.What method shall i use to cure the fish ? i have read alot on this and from this artical Marine Ich , it seems best to either use daily 50% water changes or hyposalinity and leave them for a month to make sure the ich has gone.

any opinions very welcome.........thanks

[tommo]

Ignore that article if thats what its telling you and get some cuprazin or copper citrate based remedy and a salifert copper test kit. Bring the copper up by 0.05mg/l per day for three days until your target of 0.15 mg/l is reached then hold it roughly there for two to three weeks by dosing as the level drops then retesting

20 gals will be fine provided the water quality is kept top notch

bring them then off the copper and focus on getting some excellent quality enriched dry and frozen foods into them for another three weeks. TBF this is probably an overcautious length of time, but better safe than sorry.

I would always recommend careful quarantining of new acquisitions for at least three weeks with intense diet regimes and worming prior to adding them to a main display if this is possible!

HTH

Tom

[pcs333]

tommo, on Nov 26 2009, 01:36 AM, said:

Ignore that article if thats what its telling you and get some cuprazin or copper citrate based remedy and a salifert copper test kit. Bring the copper up by 0.05mg/l per day for three days until your target of 0.15 mg/l is reached then hold it roughly there for two to three weeks by dosing as the level drops then retesting

20 gals will be fine provided the water quality is kept top notch

bring them then off the copper and focus on getting some excellent quality enriched dry and frozen foods into them for another three weeks. TBF this is probably an overcautious length of time, but better safe than sorry.

I would always recommend careful quarantining of new acquisitions for at least three weeks with intense diet regimes and worming prior to adding them to a main display if this is possible!

HTH

Tom

thanks for the help tom

i have just been and bought some seachem cupramine before reading your reply, will this be the same as using cuprazin because the bottle says to take copper upto 0.5mg/l which is much higher than your suggestion.

thanks for all your advice

[tommo]

Cupramine is good yeah, bit more stable than cuprazin TBH!

Most fish will hack 0.5 mg, for some reason, red fish wont (flame angels, hawks, etc etc) and neither will frogfish or seahorses however that is going to compromise the immune system of any fish dramatically (it will kill the disease faster) Id go for 0.15mg its plenty enough to work and the fish will appreciate not going too high


Tom

[pcs333]

thanks tom

now i have the quarantine setup, i have to get to work and catch the little buggers.
should keep me busy tomorrow.

is it wise to do weekly water changes on my quarantine while the treatment is in place, bearing in mind the water has initially come from my main tank ?

thanks again

[tommo]

Absolutely! water changes are important

Tom