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N/P reducing Biopellets

#1 User is offline   Dave.I 

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 06:19 PM

Hi guy's,

So i have my biopellets and thought i would do a kind of review on how they work over the coming months.
I have them set up in a phosban 550 reactor driven by an eheim compact 1000.My system is 300 liters give or take,and the recommended dose is 50-200ml of pellets per 100 liters.I have started off with 500ml of pellets due to having a high fish load and heavy feeding.
It is recommended to add extra pellets every 6-12 month as needed to keep the required amount in the reactor due to the pellets slowly being consumed by the bacteria on the pellets surface.
My system has been run for over a year with a dsb bucket in the sump and vodka dosing to help reduce nitrates and i run phosguard or rowaphos for phosphate removal.
The aim for me is to reduce nitrates with the biopellets.Im not too bothered about phosphates as i can run rowaphos etc and i dont think the pellets would be enough on there own to reduce phosphates with my feeding and stocking levels.Idealy i would be able to remove my dsb bucket completely.
One problem with vodka dosing has been that it can cause cyano.The more you add,the more cyano you get.Its a pain in the arse but it does work for reducing nitrates.The thing with the biopellets is that the bacteria are on the pellet and not spread over the whole system as they are with vodka,sugar and vinegar etc.
So here is what i will be using for this set up.

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In truth the ehiem 1000 is just enough for 500ml of pellets in the phosban 550 at full flow!The pellets are quite heavy to fluidize and i will be changing the eheim 1000 for the next model up asap.

Here is a pic of the pellets to get an idea of size.....
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Yes i need a new phone but i spent my money on something else :)

So i have the pellets set up in the sump with the outlet from the reactor cable tied to the inlet to my skimmer(tunze 9410).The reason for this is to remove the bacteria as they are rubbed off the pellets.They will be skimmed out with a gut full of nitrate and phosphate and on passing through the skimmer the water will be oxygenated before returning to the display having been depleated of oxygen by the bacteria in the reactor.The skimmate was killed for around 30/40 hours but this could have been caused my the new pipe work,the reactor or anything else new including the pellets.
My nitrate reading before adding the biopellets was around 15ppm on a tropic marin test kit.My phosphates are around 0.03mg/l P on the d-d merck kit.
So far everything is doing what it should.The pellets are starting to get a bio film on them after only a few days and if i give them a shake i can see what looks like a fine skin floating off them.I asume this is the bio-film and is totaly normal.My sps have better polyp extention than before so this may well be down to a feeding response caused by the release of the bio-film.
Today i tested my nitrates and they are between 10 and 15ppm having only run the pellets for less than a week.I have not dosed any vodka or any other carbon source since adding the biopellets but today i have added two cap fulls of brightwell aquatics microbacter7 to help seed them a bit quicker.Weather the drop in nitrates in down to the pellets,well who knows? Time will tell,but so far i still like the idea and its doing everything expected.One other thing that i have noticed is that since adding the biopellets or stopping vodka,the cyano is disapearing! :) As i say this could be down to stopping vodka,but it is one of the things the biopellets are supposed to do.As of today i have no cyano,where before i would of had some in the evening by now.Also micro bubbles in the water are reduced.I believe the bubbles were caused by bacteria reproducing in the display caused by vodka dosing.

I will update this thread as and when i see results and if anybody else is using biopellets then please add your experiences too! :D

Dave
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 06:33 PM

Nice one Dave.....Im still to order mine.

Do you have any photos of the reactor/mulm?
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 07:24 PM

Ive only just started getting the mulm today Graham so want to let it build up a bit more before disturbing it again.It looks like little flakes of skin,off white/clear in colour.Im sure its bacteria.Give it a day or two and i will give it a stir up and take some pics of the stuff.....
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 08:23 PM

Nice write up Dave
Look forward to the updates :cool3:
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Posted 08 February 2010 - 08:00 PM

Still cyano free! :cool3:
One thing i cant understand is how its working so fast.I just tested my nitrates and they are down to 5ppm already! Maybe this is due to me adding the microbacter7 and having originaly been dosing vodka meaning a high bacterial load in the system to start with,that is now colonizing the pellets? No change in algaes in the tank yet but im not running any phosphate removers until i feel the pellets are well on there way as it could slow the process.
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Posted 08 February 2010 - 08:07 PM

Hi Dave - What were your PO4 readings before you started?
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Posted 08 February 2010 - 08:07 PM

I'm taking quite an interest in this. I'm not in a position to try them myself as both NO3 and P are already very low, but it could be useful in the future. i would also be interested in just where your nutrient levels bottom out.

keep the updates coming.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 08:27 PM

View PostQuigs, on Feb 8 2010, 08:07 PM, said:

Hi Dave - What were your PO4 readings before you started?

Hi Graham.

0.03mg/l P or more.
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Posted 08 February 2010 - 08:31 PM

View Postkarnivor, on Feb 8 2010, 08:07 PM, said:

I'm taking quite an interest in this. I'm not in a position to try them myself as both NO3 and P are already very low, but it could be useful in the future. i would also be interested in just where your nutrient levels bottom out.

keep the updates coming.

Tony.

Hi Tony,

Yes i also want to know what it will bottom out at.This is why i dont want to add any phosphate absorbers yet so i can see what it can do on its own.I just dont want to push it and let phosphates rise so will have to keep testing every day to keep track.I will go and test phosphates now....
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Posted 08 February 2010 - 08:46 PM

Ok so they are sat around 0.03mg/l P to 0.15mg/l P.This is on the d-d merck kit.I find on this kit that if it is clearish looking its around 0.03 and when you get really low on phosphates it tends to be more on the yellow side.I have ran salt water from the system on a constant cycle though the phosphate reactor for a couple of days and it always shows a yellow tint which is what i am aiming for.

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 03:46 PM

Still cyano free! :cool3:

Nitrates now down to less than 5ppm,almost 2ppm i would say.Phosphates are still the same.Well chuffed so far!
On a side note,my redspot cardinals are on a breeding mission! Maybe due to lower nitrates......

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 05:35 PM

Can't believe how quick this has worked Dave. Are you getting the full 'mulm' now and if so is your skimmer acting any differently?

Also, have you noticed any changes in Redox and Ph levels?
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 07:12 PM

Hi Graham,

I cant understand why its so fast either! The colour of the skimmate isnt much darker but it smell worse.Mulm wise i havent touched it to release any since last time but its there for sure.Its not anything like the pics going around of the guy that had it in a bucket with low flow over the top.If i had less flow im sure it would be mulm city but i have all the pellets moving from top to bottom so they should be just rubbing against each other constantly releasing bacteria as they do so.
I dont measure redox or ph so couldnt say on those.
Its been running 8 days now.The other thing that makes this even more unbelievable is that i have added two new fish(butterflys) and have been feeding the tank twice as much as normal to get them fattened up!

Once i hit zero nitrates im going to add phosphate remover,either rowa or phosguard,and rip that down too.Then it should really start to show in the display!I will also remove the dsb bucket from the sump and let the pellets go solo.
The best bit is no cyano because ive always had it on and off in every system ive had over the years.

So far its looking good!
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 10:17 PM

Sounds like a perfect solution Dave, thanks for the regular updates
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Posted 12 February 2010 - 03:14 PM

No probs!

Today nitrates are at close to 2ppm.Ive added some phosguard as im getting a bit of hair algae sinse removing it.I can see some sps have picked up a little bit of growth but no real change in colour.Will be getting an eheim 2000 to run the reactor this weekend so i can really up the flow and get them churning!
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Posted 12 February 2010 - 08:34 PM

The mulm/bacteria are building up big time.I gave the pellets a stir and this came off!
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Yum yum!
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Posted 12 February 2010 - 08:38 PM

Is that going through your skimmer or is a residue going into the tank?
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Posted 12 February 2010 - 08:49 PM

It wouldnt be beyond the wit of man to make a purpose built reactor that would sit directly in line with my skimmer in such a way that the skimmer feed pump would feed the reactor before going to the skimmer.
Only possible with a venturi skimmer of course.
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Posted 12 February 2010 - 09:00 PM

I dont seem to get any in the the tank Quigs.

I like that idea Tony!

I might take out the dsb bucket on sunday and see what they can do solo.I will also upgrade the pump and see what difference it makes with them really churning around.If i stir them up the skimmer looses a little head but soon picks up again.I think the idea is to have high flow so they constantly rub into each other and just leave it all alone.The sps all react to the mulm when i stir it up!
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Posted 12 February 2010 - 09:12 PM

View Postkarnivor, on Feb 12 2010, 10:49 PM, said:

It wouldnt be beyond the wit of man to make a purpose built reactor that would sit directly in line with my skimmer in such a way that the skimmer feed pump would feed the reactor before going to the skimmer.
Only possible with a venturi skimmer of course.


That Tony...is what I'd call ingenious (spelling?) Thank god for forums like these! :(
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